Sacraments from Undeclared Heretics - Debate Analysis
Feast Day of St. Hermenegild
They propose that the heretics themselves are the ones that must first be pointed out by the Church, before we are bound to avoid them. But this is sheer buffoonery on their part, whereby they would have you commit the same sin of SCHISM that they commit themselves by going to a Byzantine priest who is subject to Fr. Ratzinger, the current antipope. They go to him for COMMUNION. They are in COMMUNION with heresy and disobeying dogmatic decrees!
The quote, as presented by the Dimonds:
Notice the smoke and mirrors where they whip out the Latin and say "Look at this part here! Focus in on this only because if you read the whole thing you'll see we are perverting what the pope decreed!". But now let us see the whole paragraph and let us examine what it REALLY says:
Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council (Tanner Edition): "Catholics who take the cross and gird themselves up for the expulsion of heretics shall enjoy the same indulgence, and be strengthened by the same holy privilege, as is granted to those who go to the aid of the holy Land. Moreover, we determine to subject to excommunication believers who receive, defend or support heretics."
Alright, the pope just said that those who receive, defend or support heretics are to be excommunicated.
Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, cont'd: "We strictly ordain that if any such person, after he has been designated as excommunicated, "
Keep in mind that we are still talking about non-heretical people who have been excommunicated for in some way helping a heretic...
Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, cont'd: "refuses to render satisfaction within a year, then by the law itself he shall be branded as infamous and not be admitted to public offices or councils or to elect others to the same or to give testimony. He shall be intestable, that is he shall not have the freedom to make a will nor shall succeed to an inheritance. Moreover nobody shall be compelled to answer to him on any business whatever, but he may be compelled to answer to them. If he is a judge sentences pronounced by him shall have no force and cases may not be brought before him; if an advocate, he may not be allowed to defend anyone; if a notary, documents drawn up by him shall be worthless and condemned along with their condemned author; and in similar matters we order the same to be observed. If however he is a cleric, let him be deposed from every office and benefice, so that the greater the fault the greater be the punishment."
"If he be a cleric," a cleric who is NON-heretical and has been excommunicated for in some way helping a heretic. Do you see? Email the Dimonds and see if they can weasel their way around this, like they try and weasel their way around St. Thomas' teaching by saying that he was talking about heretic priest where he was really talking about sinful priests.
St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Part III., Q. 82, A. 9: "But not all who are SINNERS are debarred by the Church's sentence from using this power: and so, although suspended by the Divine sentence, yet they are not suspended in regard to others by any ecclesiastical sentence: consequently, until the Church's sentence is pronounced, it is lawful to receive Communion at their hands, and to hear their mass".
St. Thomas was talking about how a priest with private mortal sin is not suspended by the Church's sentence (not formally) even if he sins every time he confects the sacraments on account of the Divine suspension. Why do others not share in his sin in this case? Because it is PRIVATE sin that they do not or cannot know about. Plain and simple. Heretics, on the other hand, are by definition PUBLICLY and OPENLY contrary to the dogmas of Holy Mother Church. So their heresy CAN and OUGHT to be know about by such as would have subjected themselves to his "authority", and we are right back to the exhortations of St. Paul:
Galatians 1:8-9: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA. As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA."
Titus 3:10-11: "A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, AVOID: Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment."
Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, cont'd: "If any refuse to avoid such persons after they have been pointed out by the church, let them be punished with the sentence of excommunication until they make suitable satisfaction. Clerics should not, of course, give the sacraments of the church to such pestilent people nor give them a Christian burial nor accept alms or offerings from them; if they do, let them be deprived of their office and not restored to it without a special indult of the apostolic see. Similarly with regulars, let them be punished with losing their privileges in the diocese in which they presume to commit such excesses."
To the Dimonds, those gatekeepers of hell: This decree has NOTHING to do with HERETICS being pointed out by the Church, O ye lying wolves! The whole thing is talking about those whom the Church has excommunicated for DEALING FAVOURABLY WITH HERETICS, even if they are not heretics themselves.
The Dimonds are making a mockery of good willed souls who truly want the truth. They are undeniably evil and do not be surprised if they are laughing at all of their followers behind closed doors.
This article is one in an important series on The Dimonds' soul damning errors
There is an alternative to confession, one that does not require asking heretic priests to commit the MORTAL SIN (which we would be then sharers in) of exercising their sacramental power outside the Church. Please read the article "Daily Examination of Conscience for Future Saints".
1 Corinthians 10:20: "But the things which the heathens sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God. And I would not that you should be made partakers with devils."
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