Sunday, April 12, 2009

Interview: Vatican II contributor, Hans Küng

The following is from an interview with notorious apostate, Hans Küng, one of the ‘pioneers’ at the Second Vatican ‘Council’, along with Joseph Ratzinger, who would become antipope Benedict XVI.

A small town in southern Germany was the scene of a meeting of minds between two members of the Catholic church in the 1960s. Theologian Hans Küng invited his colleague Josef Ratzinger to Tübingen to teach at the university’s Catholic faculty.

Shocked by the student revolt of 1968 Ratzinger became increasingly conservative.
He also became Pope Benedict XVI 4 decades later.

His boss at the time, Hans Küng, went on to be described as the “super-star of European theology” becoming an arch-critic of church hierarchy, calling for an end to celibacy, and the acceptance of contraception.

Willing Catholic Martyr comment: This liberal, Hans Küng, displays no shame in admitting his rebellion against the Catholic Church. Unlike so-called conservative Novus Ordoites, who deceitfully argue that they are in favour of the dogmas of Divine Tradition, and constantly push their so-called ‘hermeneutic of continuity’, these liberals are the first ones to cry out “Look what we’ve done and what we’ll continue to do to fix (destroy) the Church!”

Küng and Ratzinger both took part in the second Vatican council, the biggest shake-up of the Catholic church of the 20th century, marking an overture to the modern world, and dialogue with other religions and convictions. But what does Küng think of the controversy stirred up recently by his former employee?

euronews :
Benedict the 16th welcoming back into the Catholic fold the integrists of the Saint Pius the 10th fraternity triggered a storm of indignation in the Catholic world. Can someone who doubts the Holocaust happened be a member of the Catholic church?

Willing Catholic Martyr comment: Don’t forget that Benedict XVI is not Catholic and not head of the Catholic Church. He is a non-Catholic antipope who has usurped the See of Rome, and possesses neither authority or jurisdiction, either temporal or spiritual.

Hans Küng, Theologian:
I don’t think a holocaust denier can stay in the catholic church, no. The murder of six million human beings, Jews, is the biggest crime in the history of humanity. During the Second Vatican council I was already suggesting that the Nazi’s antisemitism had its roots in the antisemitism that could be found in all the Christian religions, including the Protestant church. Luther was anything but a friend of the Jews. So the Christian churches and all Christians share a great historical guilt towards the Jewish people.
However, in the interests of justice I should add that the principle of tolerance should also be applied by Jews. Israel, which defines itself as a Jewish state, has to prove it can be tolerant towards the Arabs, and must accept that the Palestinians should be allowed to build their own state at last.

Willing Catholic Martyr comment: First off the biggest crime ever in the history of humanity is the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Nothing any man has ever done is worse than killing God. Küng states that a holocaust denier cannot be in the Catholic Church. In this man’s mind, the holocaust is a new dogma that must be believed. If the holocaust indeed happened (the evidence is greatly in favour that it did NOT happen as the Jews tell of it), then such an event would be atrocious, no doubt. But to doubt the validity of the event is in no way malicious, when the evidence suggests that it did not even happen according to the accepted story.

euronews:
Bishops retire at 75, and Cardinals at 80. The Pope is 82. Should he retire, if that is possible?

Hans Küng:
I wouldn’t advise him to. It’s more a question of an entirely dysfunctional hierarchical system. The Pope doesn’t even have a cabinet or government to advise him. The Pope decides and does everything himself, on his own. That’s no way to govern in the 21st century. Every decision that needs to be taken within the church depends on the Pope, unfortunately. We’re stuck in an absolutist system comparable to the court of Louis the 14th.

Willing Catholic Martyr comment: Here we see the Novus Ordo sect’s top brass displaying the liberal and faithless mindset that the pope is “on his own”, rather than that he is the Vicar of Christ on earth, to whom was promised the aid of the Holy Ghost. Further, Küng attacks the very hierarchical structure of the Church that has existed since the apostolic age. This is tantamount to grumbling against God, or saying “Nice try God, but I could have come up with a better Church!”

euronews:
Is the damage to Jewish-Catholic relations irreparable?

Küng:
Irreparable, no. But we have to recognise the damage is durable. I’m in close contact with a Rabbi in Berlin who tells me, ‘We can’t repair the damage overnight’. People no longer trust the Pope. And it’s the same state of affairs for Muslims. I have noticed that many of the highest-profile leaders in the Muslim community, from the Mosque or the general community, are starting to be wary, saying ‘We can’t trust him anymore to establish dialogue as a religious mediator’.

euronews:
You are one of the architects of the second Vatican Council, and took part in it yourself. Do you think there is a risk today that the Church is going backwards, heading towards the middle ages, and that the Vatican II reforms are being called into question?

Küng:
Yes, absolutely. The Catholic church is once again taking a course towards reaction, anti-modernism, and the middle ages.

Willing Catholic Martyr comment: In the Middle Ages, people correctly recognized the Catholic Church as the one ark of salvation established by our Lord Jesus Christ. Modernism, which was always condemned as a heresy, was the enemy of the Church and of salvation to people’s souls. This Küng is brazenly taking a pro-modernist stance. Coming from a man who was so influential at Vatican II, this should send up red flags from earth to heaven.

euronews:
Why do you think Vatican II is still important today, and what must be saved from it?

Küng:
Before Vatican II the Catholic church had, basically, stopped the clock in the Roman Catholicism of the Middle Ages. We fought against reform. We organised reaction, and the Catholic church was at war with the modern world. In this context, Vatican II was very important. It was a real combat to firmly establish religious freedom, and freedom of conscience. It was very exciting, and at the time Josef Ratzinger and I shared the same ideas and thoughts. The consequences of Vatican II were immense and historic. For the first time a dialogue was opened with the Jewish faith. Before, our relationship had been poisonous. A similar process was engaged with Muslims, and with all the world’s great religions. Modern science was also reviewed and seen in a favourable light, as was modern culture, democracy, and human rights. Quite a lot of things, as you can see.
If we cancelled all that, the church would change into a fortified citadel, and trigger the exodus of all those who do not want a return to the past.

Willing Catholic Martyr comment: These liberals are so open and obvious that they don’t even try to deceive. Right out of his own mouth again, we see that he is fighting against the Catholic Church, not for the Catholic Church.

Pope GregoryXVI, Mirari Vos, #14: This shameful font of indifferentism gives rise to that absurd and erroneous proposition which claims that liberty of conscience must be maintained for everyone. It spreads ruin in sacred and civil affairs, though some repeat over and over again with the greatest impudence that some advantage accrues to religion from it. "But the death of the soul is worse than freedom of error," as Augustine was wont to say. When all restraints are removed by which men are kept on the narrow path of truth, their nature, which is already inclined to evil, propels them to ruin.

euronews:
The Pope has just visited Africa. If we look at the headlines it generated in the international press, notably in France and Germany, they were very critical about his statements on AIDS and contraception. What are the conclusions you draw from his Africa trip?

Küng:
The Pope is without any doubt a figure who embodies hope in the fight against corrupt dictators and regimes, and this is why I am saddened. The Pope didn’t seize the opportunity to tell people reasonable family planning and sensible contraception is justified.

euronews:
How should the relationship between Christianity and Islam be managed?

Küng:
Right from the start Benedict got off on the wrong foot. In his speech in Regensburg he accused Islam of being a religion of violence. He has since corrected this, he’s accepted an invitiation to visit Turkey, he’s expressed a positive view on a joint draft on a Christian-Muslim document. These are all steps in the right direction.

euronews:
Since the second Vatican council, the Catholic church has accepted, to put it simply, a separation between church and state. That’s not always the case in Islam. Does that pose a problem?

Küng:
The Catholic church didn’t accept the idea of human rights and tolerance, in a positive way, right up to the era of Pope John the 23rd and the second Vatican council. The Catholic church needed an enormous amount of time to get there. So we need to understand that Muslims too need plenty of time. But today, there are positive signs regarding the separation of church and state – in Turkey for example. It’s vital that Islam finds a new model to redefine the relationship between religion on the one hand, and the state on the other.

Willing Catholic Martyr comment: The Catholic Church has condemned the separation of Church and state, and this liberal makes no attempt to deny the fact that his views fly in the face of age old Catholic discipline.

Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus of Errors, #55: The Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church. - CONDEMNED

This is a testament to the utter lack of faith in the Novus Ordo false Church, as filtered down from their blasphemous leaders.

If you worship in the Novus Ordo sect, you are in communion with heretics, and apostates like Küng, you have incurred automatic excommunication and are likely hold to heresy yourself. The only way to save your soul is for that excommunication to be lifted.

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